Re: The Universe.

> The way I figure it... if you need a God to scare you into being moral, what
> does that say about you? I mean, couldn't a person be moral in the first
> place?

     Actually, Christianity (when taking the Bible as it's authority at
least) DOES presume man to be quite immoral and evil from the onset. There is
much scriptural language that depicts the human condition in terms of
hopeless decrepitness. The "fear" of God, rather the fear of eternal
damnation, is intended as ONE means that is used to elicit a response of
humility and the seeking of salvation.
     So, from that point of view, no. A person can't be "moral" in the first
place, as it is, presumably, only God that imparts value and forgiveness (not
for what we have done so much as for what we "are" through his mercy.
     Not a popular point of view for proud mankind to uphold, but it is
what's in view for those who seek some sort of spiritual truths beyond their
own.